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Old 05-26-07, 04:41 AM
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What are accountants thinking?

It never ceases to amaze me how many accountants think their background prepares them for such endeavours such as portfolio construction, securities analysis, and other purely finance related activities.

Accountants are trained rigourously on how to record the financial activities of organisations, audit the credibility of financial statements, and other purely recording based activities. This is the study and practice of accounting.

Finance is using the information accountants prepare to make capital budgeting decisions, allocate resources for maximum efficiency, and formulate investment decisions.

Why do so many accountants so narcissisticly think their knowledge and abilities stretch beyond their training to a point where they are equal of those who training was exclusively for something else?
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Well, at my university, the main difference between accountants and finance people is nill for the most part. Most accountants took investing and most finance majors didn't take financial engineering. Instead, they took bank management. Those who had taken banking weren't much better than the accountants in knowing the arena of investment planning or investment banking. Actually, most had known less as they took fewer courses than accountants; finance people weren't guided on which courses would be most valuable in the marketplace. Both had taken investments classes and both had to take finance 101. Most importantly, there was a course in financial analysis that wasn't even offered by our department; it was offered in a different department. It involved evaluating companies by financial ratios, creating business plans, etc., while the other financial analysis class required us to do a business simulation in which we made pricing and product creation decisions, as well as financial decisions (debt or equity). I think that sometimes accountants are more attuned to financial services work than accounting work, since accounting has a lot of rules, while going into financial services only requires that you pass the Series 6, 66 or 63 & 65, and 7.

I think that financial engineering is a cool course as it helps the person understand the markets better. They make a lot of money for a reason; the formulas while tough for some people to swallow, provide an excellent explanation of how the markets really work. I believe the market is part financial engineering, part psychology, but that financial engineering can really explain market patterns, including randomness. I believe that I would do best as an insurance adjuster, financial analyst, customer service rep, data-entry, financial planner, credit counselor, tax accountant, or bookkeeper. I had more training in finance than people who majored in it; our school only requires that finance students take four courses. As a result, some accountants are better than the finance majors at capital budgeting decisions and allocating resources for maximum efficiency. Just because some accountants don't share your strategy, doesn't mean they were improperly trained. It's important to notice this as some accountants really know what they're talking about in the finance arena.

Although I was an accountant, I took 8 management courses, three financial analysis courses, an investing course, six legal courses, and 13 writing courses besides my 13 accounting courses (150 credits). Needless to say, my focus wasn't solely on accounting. My favorite accounting courses were taxation (took 3 courses in individual and corporate taxation, including one at the graduate level) and that's why I really like financial planning to assist people in meeting their goals and aspirations when it comes to their money.

I think the reason why accountants like finance is they wish to branch off from what they do. Picking accounting was their way of branching off into other areas as well. It was just a name on their diploma; they took courses in other areas as well. As long as the school didn't have enough finance courses, I really don't see a difference between the two majors. However, if financial engineering is a required course(s) as well as actuarial science, than finance majors certainly have more expertise than accounting majors.

My argument is that you need to know the underlying courses the person took before passing judgment on their skills and knowledge. Also, their character will determine how they later perform in the financial services profession.

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P.S. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels that my abilities stretch beyond accounting; it is intriguing to note that others feel the same way as well. Are your remarks based on actual experience or only your day-to-day interaction in school or on message boards?

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CMA? Might know something of finance but it is the same as an electrician might know something about plumbing
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A CMA can evaluate whether an investment may be a good investment; however, they may have trouble selecting the investment in the first place. Management accountants may also be able to allocate resources efficiently or capital budgeting decisions. However, their knowledge is likely to be limited to their own companies and their own experience. Their math skills are also likely to not be as good as finance majors, thus a finance major could learn it quicker or not have to make estimates (and thus are more accurate). Also, their knowledge is probably limited to net present value computations. In the finance classes that I did take, I was in the top 5% of my class in each course. Needless to say, I aced them all.

I think that finance takes a very high level of willingness to learn and to read new things; it also takes the ability to listen to others input. Most importantly, you cannot be afraid to do math as financial engineering is becoming the wave of the future. An accountant who takes financial engineering is better off than a finance major (per se) who took a lot of marketing, accounting, or management courses and only four finance courses. Our school didn't really have a finance major; it was in name only.
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Aqua,

A pharmacist is a literally an expert on prescription drugs, yet he can't write a prescription for them. It takes a doctor to use his judgement and skills for the application of those drugs to treat a disease.

Pharmacists aren't doctors, just like accountants are financial managers.

No offense but that program sounds horrible for finance lol. A programme without exposure to modern finance is like learning biology from the 1960's. A lot has changed and without the most recent developments in portfolio management, entrants will be completely lost when they get into the field.
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P.S. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels that my abilities stretch beyond accounting; it is intriguing to note that others feel the same way as well. Are your remarks based on actual experience or only your day-to-day interaction in school or on message boards?

I'm in an internship right now working with accountants. This is what my my judgement is based on.
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I wish you well on your internship and hope that you have avid success in the financial field. It looks like you're highly interested in it. Wish you great success and many accolades.

On the same token, I wish the finance program was greatly enhanced having more financial engineering and actuarial courses, as well as classes that focused solely on MPT and CAPM. Maybe if the school dropped it's 60 credit general education requirement and imposed a 144 to 150 credit requirement on finance majors (48 course requirement) than it could be a solid program (12-16 courses makes a major in my opinion). Unfortunately, it's listed as one of the top programs, thus they aren't likely to change things. I think it's a school that's somewhat successful with its graduate students, but not that successful with its undergrads; the research and interest in the field doesn't seem to trickle down to the undergrad.
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Unfortunately, it's listed as one of the top programs, thus they aren't likely to change things.


What is the name of this university?
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