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Old 07-07-06, 05:52 AM
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stop-losses

I agree...
that if your stop-losses are too tight then you risk exiting a position pre-maturely just before there is a significant run-up in the stock/commodity price.

At the same time, I wonder if it's better to miss out on a gain (even many times) rather than experience a big drop. One drop can eliminate your entire portfolio and possibly more if you are trading with higher leverage.

Does it make sense that no trader can be right 100% of the time, and even if they can, a wise trader should always hope for the best but plan for the worst.
I still believe that "survival" is the name of the game in commodities. Keep your savings alive so that you have something to invest with.

First-Consul: I believe you stated that you just recently got into commodities trading. I am very interested in this asset class currently and was wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing anything that you've learned or even offer some type of updates on your progress?

I think that it's great that we can have such discusstions, where several traders can get together and argue about strategies. In the end, we all benefit and win since we are learning from eachother or at least making eachother aware of things that we might have overlooked in the past. We stand a much better chance by sharing when going up against the "big guys"....although it seems like First Consul already has his stuff together

Still, never hurts to get outside opinions. Remember, always do your own research and due dilligence, and try to avoid emotional decision-making or simply relying on your "gut."

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Old 07-07-06, 06:23 AM
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ROFL!

After the options ban..........

1. Whoever
2. Somebody else
3. That other guy
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231.Dann the delta gamma neutral guy.
232. FirstConsul
(A tie mind you!)


LOL You can't short options in investopedia!!!!!!
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Old 07-07-06, 10:18 AM
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It's all good! Minimising risk via stops is wise and takes the emotions out of things. There's always that alure though.... a 3% move in a stock can mean a 15+% move on an option. Just a thought, anyone 'could' make mental stops on options. Then again....
good luck everyone
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Old 07-07-06, 11:50 AM
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Wow, I have been MIA (missing in action) on this thread, excellent discussion and I appreciate all of the input.

To clear some things up here,

As everyone knows or has seen, options are disallowed completely for Falkin VI. Also, you may or may not notice that there are less than 20 contestants in it, this is because we did not do an advertising program for this competition. Why? Falkin VI is being used as a tester and a three month time period to look over all of our past competitions (the good and the bad), and launch Falkin VII with a "bigger" and fresher look.

There will still be prizes for Falkin VI, and actually they will be setup just a bit different. What's new is that we will be doing a random prize drawing of all prize eligible contestants every month and the winner will be announced in our monthly newsletter (also new and coming). 1st place as usual will take the "title" and a prize home as well.

All of this including our Falkin V winner will be explained and announced in the Community Blog today.
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Old 07-07-06, 06:07 PM
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Thumbs up Stocks vs. Options

Hi again all,

It is already understood that options will be dissallowed; however, I'm hoping that we might have provided you with some more information and/or points of views regarding ever letting them back in to competitions or whether there should be seperate competitions.

I suppose it depends on your trading strategy. People can have many different strategies, all of which can be effective. The point I'm trying to get across is that it's important above all to be trading with a strategy or not at all.

For instance, you could start by trading in stocks only, and take your 3% profits and then begin to trade only those gains into more agressive growth funds, stocks, or commodities. This does two things:
-you will not trade your higher risk positions emotionally, knowing how you came about your capital set aside for higher risk trades and
-you will still be fine should the worst happen with your high-risk trades, since you will still have your initial capital still making 3% returns in stocks. This way you can keep on investing again and again, until one of your high-risk trades finally goes right! If you put all of your money into options right away, it only takes a single trade to go wrong and you might never be able to get out of the hole which you have dug for yourself. Also, 3% returns can be higher with a margin account and even higher if you trade with borrowed money from friends, family, associates, co-workers, colleagues, etc... (I suppose options give the same effect,) just don't over-do it, especially at the beginning. It's better to miss out on a gain, then to experience a loss. If you lose 50% then you'll have to make a 100% return just to break even.


I believe that a proper trading plan should provide the investor little or even NO choices. Every step should be laid out with all possible scenarios including entry-price, exit-price, stop-losses, limit-orders, timing to get into a trade, whether or not to increase or decrease the amount of shares in a trade, at what price to execute such increases/decreases, and many others.
As you can see, with a proper plan, you can eliminate any choices that must be made by the investor. This helps to eliminate any emotional investing.

To be effective, any trading plan should be WRITTEN and never "mental."
A written trading plan helps keep you from making poorly conceived, spontaneous, thoughtless, and emotional trades. An unwritten or mental plan can easily be changed depending on the mood of the trader.
You need a written trading plans and DISCIPLINE to follow them.
A written plan keeps you from many trading pitfalls: greed, fear, boredom, a need to be right, a need to be a victim, and masochism.

Plans should not just be for one or two trades. Your plan should include your timeframe for trading. You must approach the markets with an idea of how long you are going to trade (weeks, months, years,) and how much money you are going to commit to trading. Again, you must know:
-your risk/reward ratio
-where you are going to get in and out
-ahead of time how much money you are going to risk
-where you are going to place your stops
-when or if you are going to add to a winning position or liquidate all or part of a losing position or a winning position for that matter.

You must have a profit objective for each trade and for your entire account for the week, for the month, and for the year. (You must have a mini-plan for each individual trade as well as an overall long-term plan.)

You must analyze the impact that commissions and fees have on your trading. Are you overtrading? You must know when and how much time you are going to spend:
-studying the markets
-examining your statements
-analyzing winning and losing trades
-evaluating your open positions
-reading the research
-charting and trading


Keep a DIARY of trades, especially mistakes, or you are bound to repeat them. Diaries help to limit losses.


Most traders think best when they are NOT in the market. Being in the market, whether your winning or losing, can affect your judgement and cause you to trade with your emotions rather than with your intellect.

If you like I can provide more input regarding discipline; however, I have already written a lot. I hope some people might find this post useful. Always a pleasure to help others, and good-luck with your trading.

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Old 07-10-06, 11:10 PM
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According to the Game Details Options are allowed http://simulator.investopedia.com/my...spx?RGID=37945
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Old 07-11-06, 02:56 AM
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Game details allow options trading.

Hi,
I noticed that too; however, I believe that the function was enabled for people to be able to still trade them should they choose to still trade options for educational purposes. Trading options would automatically disqulify you from being eligible to win prizes but they've decided to let you still trade them if you are more concerned with learning how to use them.
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